An interview with Pulse/Pulso co-editor Roy G. Guzmán
By Gregg Shapiro
Co-edited by queer writers Roy G. Guzmán and Miguel M. Morales, the breathtaking poetry anthology Pulse/Pulso: In Remembrance of Orlando (2018, Damaged Goods Press), is a literary tribute to the 49 lives lost (and 53 wounded) at the Pulse Nightclub in June 2016. Containing the work of 18 poets, including Caridad Moro-Gronlier, Chen Chen, Baruch Porras-Hernandez, Monica Palacios, James A.H. White and Tessara Dudley, Pulse/Pulso is a powerful, poetic memorial to lives lost and forever changed on that fateful night. I had the honor of speaking with Guzmán about the anthology, as well as his own writing in September 2018.
Gregg Shapiro: Roy, I’d like to begin by asking you to say something about your poetry background. When did you start writing poetry?
Roy Guzmán: I started dabbling in poetry back in high school. During my freshman and sophomore years, I attended William H. Turner Tech (in Miami), and there I met some fellow rockers. We’d write fan poetry inspired by The Smashing Pumpkins, you know, the kind of poetry one writes before inevitably reading Nietzsche [laughs]. The title of one of my poems was something like, “We Are the Machines of God” [laughs]. I’d carry a wallet with a metal chain strapped to my belt loops. That’s when I first read Amy Tan and James McBride, and connected so much with their work. That’s also when I started writing poems inspired by Emily Dickinson. I guess you can say Emily became my first patron saint in English. Rubén Darío was the first poet whose work found my heart.
GS: Are you strictly a poet or do you also write prose?
RG: I am probably 85% poet. I like how coming up with that random percentage is suddenly making me feel like an impostor [laughs]! I write a lot of academic essays, and have published book reviews and long Facebook posts [laughs]! In my MFA, I took a fiction workshop and a few nonfiction classes. I am in awe of prose writers’ relationship to productivity. I love writing short stories, and I’ve written a few, but, afterwards, I feel like going on a long vacation [laughs]. I also have a complicated relationship to genre because I’ve seen how it stifles one’s creativity and understanding what the subject matter actually wants for itself. I’m always suspicious of genre.
GS: Who are some of your favorite living poets?
RG: Patricia Smith, Natalie Diaz, Diane Seuss, and Terrance Hayes have been some of my biggest inspirations. But I’m also a huge fan of the work my fellow poets are publishing. Emerging poets. Spoken word poets. Ultimately, my current, former, and hopefully future students might be my favorite living poets because I can witness, in real time, what poetry does to them and, in turn, how they grow into poetry. Teach a child a poem and that might just turn into your carpe diem incarnate!
GS: You are currently enrolled at University of Minnesota, pursuing a PhD in Cultural Studies and Comparative Literature. Have you thought about your plans for after graduation?
RG: I can’t seem to want to leave Minnesota [laughs]! I came here for an MFA in creative writing and loved it so much I decided to stay for a PhD. I’d like to one day be a tenured professor in a place where I can help make a positive change. I’m thinking poetry, ethnic studies, or interdisciplinary programs. I’m pretty open in terms of region, but I am partial towards colder places. Not a huge fan of sweating outdoors [laughs], as I do enjoy taking public transit.
GS: Before moving to Minnesota, you lived in South Florida. Please say a few words about your time here.
RG: Miami is still my other home. My parents still live there and I try to visit them as often as I can. Growing up in Miami was tough, especially growing up in Allapattah. We barely had any money for rent. For a long time, we lived in one-bedroom apartments and I slept in the living room. I grew up having very little privacy and I resented that a lot. I’m an only child and I had a lot of trouble making friends in school and in the neighborhood. I wasn’t much into sports. All I wanted to do was draw and read books, but even those resources were limited. When I left to do my undergrad at Chicago, it was my first time living by myself, for better or worse. After getting my MA, I went back to adjunct in Miami. Having a car this time around helped a lot. I was able to make friends and drive places I’d only bused to as a child. I revisit a lot of those experiences in my work.
GS: You and Miguel M. Morales co-edited the new anthology Pulse/Pulso: In Remembrance of Orlando (Damaged Good Press, 2018). Do you remember where you were when you first heard about the shooting at the Pulse Nightclub?
RG: Yes, I definitely do. I was having a hard time sleeping and woke up in the middle of the night to use the restroom. I checked my phone and, at first, couldn’t believe what I was reading on Twitter. The shooter was still inside and authorities couldn’t say how many people had been killed. Pictures of cops and people who’d been at the club were being shared. I’ll never forget those images. I remember going back to bed and, in the dark, trying to catch a glimpse of my boyfriend at the time. I started to cry. Many of us will never forget that night.
GS: Had you ever been to the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando prior to the shooting?
RG: I have been to lots of clubs in Orlando, but never to Pulse.
GS: Did you write any poems in response to the tragedy? If so, please say something about the experience.
RG: My poem, “Restored Mural for Orlando,” was born out of those chaotic days. There was so much I was trying to contend with. I was afraid. Like many others, I too was grieving. At first, I felt this ineffable sense of misery. I had already finished my second year in the MFA program. I’d speak to my friends in Miami and we’d exchange our disbelief. About a day after “Restored Mural for Orlando” appeared on NPR’s Latino USA, my friend, D. Allen contacted me about the possibility of turning the poem into a chapbook that would also have a Spanish translation, which Marco Antonio Huerta completed. For the next year or so, we were able to raise over $2000 for the victims and Pridelines, an organization in Miami that was incredibly supportive of me when I was struggling with my queerness. The chapbook has also been taught in several colleges around the country.
GS: What can you tell me about the process of soliciting work from poets for the anthology?
RG: The anthology was originally supposed to come out through a press that has since gone defunct. After reading “Restored Mural for Orlando,” they solicited me to become an editor, but I told them I couldn’t take on such a project without a co-editor. I am so grateful that, after a few heart-to-heart exchanges, Miguel came on board. From the beginning, we decided we had to publish work exclusively by queer and trans people of color, since we were seeing more straight white writers take lots of space. We made an extensive list of authors we wanted to solicit, with the intention of accepting poetry and short nonfiction pieces. We also made sure the call for submissions wasn’t just soliciting work from our acquaintances, and that connected us to many people we didn’t know. We read submissions in Spanish, although none of those made it to the final round of decisions.
GS: You describe the arduous process of finding a publisher for the anthology as being marked by “elitism, classism, and a blatant disregard for queer and trans people of color and indigenous peoples.” Did this come as a surprise to you?
RG: I can sometimes be a gullible Gemini. Or too idealistic. It’s not that I didn’t imagine we’d face these challenges; it’s more that we were struck by the severity of so many microaggressions. Editors questioning the validity of the anthology, questioning why we’d chosen certain pieces, wanting to reroute the entire project, questioning Miguel’s Puerto Rican background because most of the victims were Puerto Rican. Editors telling us the anthology wasn’t long enough, that it wasn’t academic enough, that it needed more content from established voices, that everything that had to be said about Pulse had already been said and that that chapter was over. Editors telling us that a writer responding to a tragedy doesn’t automatically make it publishable, as if Miguel and I had never edited anything before. It was cruel and disheartening. Above all, we believed in the work and had to apologize to our contributors for the time it took us to find a home for the anthology. Miguel and I learned so much about community through this process.
GS: Poets have a long history of being vital voices in times of crisis and there are numerous anthologies addressing the AIDS crisis, race and war, as proof. Can you please say something about the healing that can occur from reading, as well as writing, poetry?
RG: Someone said that poets are the new journalists. While I can agree with the spirit of that statement, I’ve been lucky to see all the places I hadn’t thought poetry could walk into. I know reading and writing poetry became highly restorative for me. It can still move me in ways other things rarely do. I also think poetry anthologies, in particular, serve an important place in literature, by showing us and exemplifying new forms of community, visibility, accountability, responsibility, history, and the future. I’ve seen people cry after reading a poem. I’ve seen how poetry can change a person’s life. It’s like a second birth.
GS: What can you tell me about your forthcoming debut poetry collection?
RG: At the moment, the collection is titled Catrachos and Graywolf Press will be publishing it in spring of 2020. Immigration, violence, queerness, poverty, racism, language, despair, and hope are some of the themes I look at. Florida is the setting for many of these poems, as is Honduras, my birthplace. I want these poems to grieve with you, to dance with you, to confide in you, and to listen to you. I feel incredibly grateful to get to write and share this work.
GS: Finally, on August 28, Andrew Gillum won the Florida Democratic primary for governor. Do you see that as a sign of hope for Florida?
RG: I was watching the gubernatorial primaries so closely! I shared in my friends’ excitement through social media. Florida’s swing-state history has been a major letdown in the past. I was there, for instance, when Obama was elected for a second term, in Chicago when he won his first. I support Gillum’s position of reducing mass incarceration and challenging gun lobbyists. Gillum agrees in abolishing ICE and protecting LGBTQ+ rights. His overall platform is pretty sound to me. Above all, I’d like Florida to realize more of its potential. Teachers, for instance, are criminally underpaid and students are not receiving the quality of education they deserve. I’d like for cities like Miami, Orlando, Jacksonville, and Tampa to become havens for marginalized people. I know the possibility is there. Even if in fragments, I have seen it.